1) God was a man and exalted to be God.
Joseph Smith taught that "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens...I say, if you were to see him to-day, you would see him like a man in form -- like yourselves, in all the person, image, and very form as a man....it is necessary that we should understand the character and being of God, and how he came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and will take away and do away the veil, so that you may see....and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did." (Journal of Discourses V 6: P 3)
“The Father, after He had once been in the flesh, and lived as we live, obtained His exaltation, attained to thrones, gained the ascendancy over principalities and powers, and had the knowledge and power to create—to bring forth and organize the elements upon natural principles. This He did after His ascension, or His glory, or His eternity, and was actually classed with the Gods, with the beings who create, with those who have kept the celestial law while in the flesh, and again obtained their bodies. Then He was prepared to commence the work of creation, as the Scriptures teach. It is all here in the Bible; I am not telling you a word but what is contained in that book.” (Journal of Discourses V 4: P217)
But the Bible teaches that God has been God from everlasting:
- One of God’s names in the Old Testament is EL-OLAM. (Gen.21:33) That means the everlasting, eternal, forever God, which means that God never evolved and from everlasting to everlasting, He is God.
- “Before the mountains were born Or You gave birth to the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God” Psalm 90:2
- “The Lord reigns, He is clothed with majesty; The Lord is clothed, He has girded Himself with strength. Surely the world is established, so that it cannot be moved. Your throne is established from of old; You are from everlasting.” Psalm 93:1-2
- “Indeed before the day was, I am He” Isaiah 43:13
- “You, O Lord, are our Father; Our Redeemer from Everlasting is Your name.” Isa. 63:16
- “Are You not from everlasting, O Lord my God, my Holy One?” Hab 1:12
- “ For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead” Rom. 1:20
2) God the Father has a body:
According to Doctrine and Covenants 130:22, "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s."
But the Bible teaches that God is spirit:
- God is spirit (John 4:24) and a spirit does not have flesh and bones. (Luke 24:39)
- God is invisible (1 Tim 1:17,) and Jesus is the image of the invisible Father. (Col 1:15)
- God is omnipresent (everywhere) (Psalm 139) which is impossible if He has a body.
The Bible doesn’t say that God has a spirit. He is Spirit. He is invisible. This is completely opposite of the revelations in Doctrine and Covenants that God has a body, and that He is tangible.
But how about Gen 1:26 when God said “Let us make man in our own image”? Doesn’t that mean that God has made man with flesh and bones just like His own image?
Not at all. Let us think about it. God didn’t say “Let us make man in our own flesh image.” God said “Let us make man in our image.” So the Bible doesn’t say that God has flesh.
If this Scripture teaches that God has a body and John 4:24 teaches that God is spirit, then the Bible contradicts itself.
So what does it mean that man was made “in the image of God”? The Apocrypha, though not inspired by God, gives us an idea of how the Jewish people of the Old Testament understood this scripture. We read in Wisdom of Solomon 2:23 “For God created man to be immortal, and made him to be an image of his own eternity. (Wis 2:23 LXA)” That makes sense in the context of the creation narrative in the book of Genesis 1-2, since everything God created in the first six days will cease from existence at some point except man the only creature that was made in God’s immortal image. "
3) God IS Adam, the first man:
President Kimball taught “I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people, and He is the God that pertains to this earth--the first man. That first man sent his own Son to redeem the world, to redeem his brethren; his life was taken, his bloodshed, that our sins might be remitted. That Son called twelve men and ordained them to be Apostles, and when he departed the keys of the kingdom were deposited with three of those twelve, viz.: Peter, James, and John" (Journal of Discourses 4:1).”
Prophet Young taught, “Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken--HE is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later. They came here, organized the raw material” (Journal of discourses vol 1: page 50)
But the Bible teaches that God made Adam, the first man:
“Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.” Gen 2:7
“So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being” 1 Cor 15:45
God made Adam, the first man, from the dust of the earth. Notice how the Bible say that Adam “became a living being.” Adam wasn’t living nor was a being before the day God made him from the dust of the earth and breathed in his nostrils from His own life.
4) God the Father has a father:
Joseph Smith taught “If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly, Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it.” History of the church Volume 6 page 476
"We shall go back to our Father and God, who is connected with one who is still farther back; and this Father is connected with one still further back, and so on." Journal of Discourses 5: 19
C. Kimball - First Presidency Counselor
But the Bible teaches that God is self-existing from everlasting.
God says in Isaiah 43:10, "Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me." Psalm 90:2 says of Him, "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God."
5) God is a polygamist:
“When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives with him.” Brigham Young - Mormon prophet Journal of Discourses 1:50
“The Scripture says that He, the Lord, came walking in the Temple, with His train; I do no know who they were, unless His wives and children...” Brigham Young - Mormon prophet Journal of Discourses 13:309
6) God is married to our heavenly Mother:
The Prophet taught that men and women are of equal value and of equal importance in the sight of God. He preached that in order for a man to achieve his highest potential (the celestial kingdom and godhood) he must have a woman—equally exalted—by his side and sealed to him forever! (See D&C 131:1–4.) A just God would not require the yoking of two unequal beings for eternity. Building upon the foundation laid by Joseph Smith, subsequent prophets taught that God was not single, but married; that there is a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother; and that we were made in their image: male and female children. (See James R. Clark, comp., Messages of the First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 6 vols., Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1965–75, 4:203, 205.)
“Brother Kimball quoted a saying of Joseph the Prophet, that he would not worship a god who had not a Father; and 1 do not know that he would if he had not a mother, the one would be as absurd as the other.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 286)
"Sex Among the Gods. Sex, which is indispensable on this earth for the perpetuation of the human race, is an eternal quality which has its equivalent everywhere. It is indestructible. The relationship between men and women is eternal and must continue eternally. In accordance with Gospel philosophy there are males and females in heaven. Since we have a Father, who is our God, we must also have a mother, who possesses the attributes of Godhood. This simply carries onward the logic of things earthly, and conforms with the doctrine that whatever is on this earth is simply a representation of spiritual conditions of deeper meaning than we can here fathom." (John A. Widtsoe, Rational Theology, 1915 1st ed., p.64) copied
7) God is not omnipresent.
"Some would have us believe that God is present everywhere. It is not so."
Journal of Discourses 6:345
But the Bible teaches that God is omnipresent:
"The heavens and the highest heavens cannot contain Him..." 2 Chronicles 2:6
"Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?" declares the LORD." Jeremiah 23:24
8) God is NOT omniscient.
"He knows everything. How? When His angels and ministers tell Him of it, like any other ruler."
Journal of Discourses 2:64
But the Bible teaches that God is omniscient:
"There is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do." Hebrews 4:13
9) Jesus and all spirits (including Lucifer, or Satan) were born of male and female god:
“Fundamental to the teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the concept that all human beings were born as spirit sons and daughters of heavenly parents before any were born as mortals to earthly parents. Latter-day Saints believe that the eldest and firstborn spirit child of God is Jehovah and that it was he who was later born with a physical body to Mary as Jesus Christ.” http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Jesus_Christ#Firstborn_in_the_Spirit (under Jesus Christ: the 1st born in the spirit) "
But the Bible teaches that:
a) Jesus is the creator of all spirits:
The Bible says that “all things” including our spirits came into existence because Christ created them, not because heavenly mommy and Daddy got together. "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." John 1:3 "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him." (Col 1:16 KJV)
b) Jesus was not begotten/created:
"Before Abraham was (Gr, gimomi: came t existence), I am (eimi; existed.)" John 8:58
Micah 5:2 “He has no beginning: Micah 5:2 “" But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting."
“Saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last." Revelation 1:11
* Jesus was never begotten. The word begotten (ex. John 3:16 KJV) is a mis-translation from the greek word MONOGENES which literally means “one of a kind” compare to Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac; and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten (monogenes) son; (Heb 11:17 NAS) obviously; Abraham had Ismael at that time and Isaac wasn’t the “only begotten” but rather the “unique son of the promise” "
10) We, humans, pre-existed as spirits before we were born:
“Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be” (D&C 93:29).
“Things were first created spiritually; the Father actually begat the spirits, and they were brought forth and lived with Him. Then He commenced the work of creating earthly tabernacles, precisely as He had been created in this flesh himself, by partaking of the coarse material that was organized and composed this earth, until His system was charged with it, consequently the tabernacles of His children were organized from the coarse materials of this earth.” JOD v 4 page 218
But the Bible teaches that we come to existence when we are born on this earth:
a) If we pre-existed as spirits, how come the Bible says that the spirit of Adam came from the person of God?
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." Gen 2:7
b) "The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him." Zechariah 12:1
The word “form” in Hebrew is the same word is the same form to make http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H3335&t=KJV
c) How come Jesus said in John 8:23, "And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world."
If we all pre-existed with God along side Jesus, then we should we all come from above.
Mormons argue "But how about Jeremiah 1:5 “before I formed you, I knew you…” Doesn’t that verse teach that we pre-existed?"
This verse is not talking about pre-existence. It is talking about God’s ordination and appointment of Jeremiah to be a prophet to his nation. Let’s look at the whole verse: "Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations." Jeremiah 1:5
One more point worth looking at is how God uses the word "know." For example, the Bible says that God only knows believers--not unbelievers. "My sheep hear my voice; I know them, and they follow me;" (John 10:27); and ". . . The Lord knows those who are his," (2 Tim. 2:19); and, "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23And I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness." (Matt. 7:21-23). Of course, God knows who everyone is; He is omniscient. But God is showing us that when He says He knows us, He is referring to a salvation relationship. Therefore, we did not preexist. We are born here in this world and will enter the next. (quoted http://carm.org/questions/about-doctrine/did-we-exist-god-we-were-born-earth )